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	<link>http://id-watch.co.uk</link>
	<description>Keeping an eye on ID cards and the database state</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;A solution in search of a problem&#8217; plus an interesting comment by Ray Poynter by Buy Ambien dfgfg</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/21/a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem-plus-an-interesting-comment-by-ray-poynter/#comment-5540</link>
		<author>Buy Ambien dfgfg</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/21/a-solution-in-search-of-a-problem-plus-an-interesting-comment-by-ray-poynter/#comment-5540</guid>
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		<title>Comment on The arrest of Damian Green MP by sparks</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/11/29/the-arrest-of-damian-green-mp/#comment-5112</link>
		<author>sparks</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/11/29/the-arrest-of-damian-green-mp/#comment-5112</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much money should I have saved for a cross country road trip? <a href="http://mp3sparks.us/?p=13" rel="nofollow">russian mp3 sites</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by Morel'sGhost</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-81</link>
		<author>Morel'sGhost</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-81</guid>
		<description>Your weasel use of "open research community" belongs on a continuum with "unlawful combatant" for creating something that doesn't exist then retrospectively defending its basis.  Want to avoid the inconveniences fairness, ethical standards and best practice in research? No worries - make up your own semantically-empty newspeak label for your consultation and skew away.   

It's totally irrelevant that IPS officials weren't involved in the debate when VS staff were acting as their proxies by interfering in the "open" debate to promote and defend IPS's policy stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your weasel use of &#8220;open research community&#8221; belongs on a continuum with &#8220;unlawful combatant&#8221; for creating something that doesn&#8217;t exist then retrospectively defending its basis.  Want to avoid the inconveniences fairness, ethical standards and best practice in research? No worries - make up your own semantically-empty newspeak label for your consultation and skew away.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s totally irrelevant that IPS officials weren&#8217;t involved in the debate when VS staff were acting as their proxies by interfering in the &#8220;open&#8221; debate to promote and defend IPS&#8217;s policy stance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A response to Ray Poynter by Castrovalva</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/27/a-response-to-ray-poynter/#comment-74</link>
		<author>Castrovalva</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/27/a-response-to-ray-poynter/#comment-74</guid>
		<description>And the Economist site also records:

Virtual Surveys director Ray Poynter may try to demonstrate the project's 'openness' by saying "Over 50 million online ads were placed... to promote the site" yet a cursory forensic analysis of the mylifemyid.org web site code suggests very much the opposite. 

Though the site is now closed, user may still use their browsers to view a 'hidden' file that has been left on the server at http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt. For those who don't understand the code in this file, the following information may shed some light on its significance.

Morel'sGhost correctly makes the point about the data on mylifemyid.org being a "public record". Now, in theory this could have happened without any effort or expenditure by the UK Gov or its suppliers. As many web researchers will know, some sites such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (IAWM - web.archive.org) store historical snapshots of web sites. While not perfect, these snapshots are, effectively, public records. And they're archived at no charge to the owners of the sites they index.

However, IAWM was blocked from archiving the information on the mylifemyid.org site. And so was every other search engin's web crawler (robot) that abides by instructions to refrain from indexing sites they encounter (which means all the major search sites / archivers). This block was achieved on the mylifemyid server by using a "Robots.txt Query Exclusion" – in simple terms, a file on the web server that tells any indexing web crawler (such as Google's googlebot) to ignore the site and refrain from indexing it. 

As you can see if you scroll to the end of this file at http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt there's a line of human-readable comment that says it all:

# [nall]: generally we don't want to be indexed
Disallow: /

So much for efforts to "promote the site"!


[Technical note: while mylifemyid.org has been ostensibly taken off-line, those who created and/or administered the site left far more data on the server than is appropriate for a site associated with promoting Security and ID for all. An analysis of the robots.txt file reveals that a Drupal file called install.php is still on the server, along with various other files that it would have been prudent to NOT make live on a public site.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the Economist site also records:</p>
<p>Virtual Surveys director Ray Poynter may try to demonstrate the project&#8217;s &#8216;openness&#8217; by saying &#8220;Over 50 million online ads were placed&#8230; to promote the site&#8221; yet a cursory forensic analysis of the mylifemyid.org web site code suggests very much the opposite. </p>
<p>Though the site is now closed, user may still use their browsers to view a &#8216;hidden&#8217; file that has been left on the server at <a href="http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt." rel="nofollow">http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt.</a> For those who don&#8217;t understand the code in this file, the following information may shed some light on its significance.</p>
<p>Morel&#8217;sGhost correctly makes the point about the data on mylifemyid.org being a &#8220;public record&#8221;. Now, in theory this could have happened without any effort or expenditure by the UK Gov or its suppliers. As many web researchers will know, some sites such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (IAWM - web.archive.org) store historical snapshots of web sites. While not perfect, these snapshots are, effectively, public records. And they&#8217;re archived at no charge to the owners of the sites they index.</p>
<p>However, IAWM was blocked from archiving the information on the mylifemyid.org site. And so was every other search engin&#8217;s web crawler (robot) that abides by instructions to refrain from indexing sites they encounter (which means all the major search sites / archivers). This block was achieved on the mylifemyid server by using a &#8220;Robots.txt Query Exclusion&#8221; – in simple terms, a file on the web server that tells any indexing web crawler (such as Google&#8217;s googlebot) to ignore the site and refrain from indexing it. </p>
<p>As you can see if you scroll to the end of this file at <a href="http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt" rel="nofollow">http://mylifemyid.org/robots.txt</a> there&#8217;s a line of human-readable comment that says it all:</p>
<p># [nall]: generally we don&#8217;t want to be indexed<br />
Disallow: /</p>
<p>So much for efforts to &#8220;promote the site&#8221;!</p>
<p>[Technical note: while mylifemyid.org has been ostensibly taken off-line, those who created and/or administered the site left far more data on the server than is appropriate for a site associated with promoting Security and ID for all. An analysis of the robots.txt file reveals that a Drupal file called install.php is still on the server, along with various other files that it would have been prudent to NOT make live on a public site.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on An update on Virtual Surveys/MyLifeMyID by Castrovalva</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/22/an-update-on-virtual-surveysmylifemyid/#comment-73</link>
		<author>Castrovalva</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/22/an-update-on-virtual-surveysmylifemyid/#comment-73</guid>
		<description>Anyone who had though of hacking the MyLifeMyID site would have come across a programmer's note-to-self that read "generally we don't want to be indexed". This note appeared in the "robots.txt" file, a file that sat on the MyLIfeMyID web server and basically said to search engines "move along now, there's nothing to see here".

Refer to: http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12432440&#38;mode=comment&#38;intent=readBottom
for full details.

Within days of posting that comment in the Economist, the incriminating code was removed from the MyLifeMyID site. 

Coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who had though of hacking the MyLifeMyID site would have come across a programmer&#8217;s note-to-self that read &#8220;generally we don&#8217;t want to be indexed&#8221;. This note appeared in the &#8220;robots.txt&#8221; file, a file that sat on the MyLIfeMyID web server and basically said to search engines &#8220;move along now, there&#8217;s nothing to see here&#8221;.</p>
<p>Refer to: <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12432440&amp;mode=comment&amp;intent=readBottom" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12432440&amp;mode=comment&amp;intent=readBottom</a><br />
for full details.</p>
<p>Within days of posting that comment in the Economist, the incriminating code was removed from the MyLifeMyID site. </p>
<p>Coincidence?</p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by whitehawk</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-64</link>
		<author>whitehawk</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-64</guid>
		<description>I'm not part of virtual surveys.

IPS has just launched a public consultation on its secondary legislation. Should be up on the website now.

On the subject of mylifemyid, VS were asked to set up a an open research community. This meant that IPS could set some questions and let VS get on with it. Users were also able to run their own discussion threads. So, if officials had been on the site it would not have been a research community, it would have been a discussion forum. 

Should there now be a discussion forum so that anyone can speak to officials?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not part of virtual surveys.</p>
<p>IPS has just launched a public consultation on its secondary legislation. Should be up on the website now.</p>
<p>On the subject of mylifemyid, VS were asked to set up a an open research community. This meant that IPS could set some questions and let VS get on with it. Users were also able to run their own discussion threads. So, if officials had been on the site it would not have been a research community, it would have been a discussion forum. </p>
<p>Should there now be a discussion forum so that anyone can speak to officials?</p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by Morel'sGhost</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-60</link>
		<author>Morel'sGhost</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-60</guid>
		<description>Oops - sorry! Not part of the research team either? 
No worries about not responding (at all) to the constant harping j'accuse though. Posting on this blog was just a first salvo to see if you'd attempt to come up with a justification, given your stated commitment to open consultation and engagement.  That you won't is fine, but are other channels for this discussion that you won't be able to ignore.  Your professional reputation (by "your" I mean "Virtual Surveys'") is going under a harsh spotlight very soon and your partial methodology simply doesn't bear even the briefest scrutiny. Disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops - sorry! Not part of the research team either?<br />
No worries about not responding (at all) to the constant harping j&#8217;accuse though. Posting on this blog was just a first salvo to see if you&#8217;d attempt to come up with a justification, given your stated commitment to open consultation and engagement.  That you won&#8217;t is fine, but are other channels for this discussion that you won&#8217;t be able to ignore.  Your professional reputation (by &#8220;your&#8221; I mean &#8220;Virtual Surveys&#8217;&#8221;) is going under a harsh spotlight very soon and your partial methodology simply doesn&#8217;t bear even the briefest scrutiny. Disagree?</p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by whitehawk</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-57</link>
		<author>whitehawk</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-57</guid>
		<description>not Ray, sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not Ray, sorry!</p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by Morel'sGhost</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-54</link>
		<author>Morel'sGhost</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-54</guid>
		<description>The most welcome "big news" would be that you've done some reading around the subject of research ethics, Ray, or come up with even the most cursory justification of your astonishingly skewed survey methodology. Virtual Surveys have serious questions to answer about integrity, impartiality, fair treatment of research subjects and, ultimately, fitness to conduct work intended to influence public policy.  Failure to address those issues should certainly disqualify VS from being considered for work of this kind in the future.  But perhaps that debate (which won't be confined to this forum) should wait for your published report?  At any rate, I'll try to avoid using the term "ethics" in any contribution, since it clearly doesn't register at any level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most welcome &#8220;big news&#8221; would be that you&#8217;ve done some reading around the subject of research ethics, Ray, or come up with even the most cursory justification of your astonishingly skewed survey methodology. Virtual Surveys have serious questions to answer about integrity, impartiality, fair treatment of research subjects and, ultimately, fitness to conduct work intended to influence public policy.  Failure to address those issues should certainly disqualify VS from being considered for work of this kind in the future.  But perhaps that debate (which won&#8217;t be confined to this forum) should wait for your published report?  At any rate, I&#8217;ll try to avoid using the term &#8220;ethics&#8221; in any contribution, since it clearly doesn&#8217;t register at any level.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MyLifeMyID by whitehawk</title>
		<link>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-51</link>
		<author>whitehawk</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://id-watch.co.uk/2008/10/17/mylifemyid/#comment-51</guid>
		<description>wiped my post again! can't add up.

Big news tomorrow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wiped my post again! can&#8217;t add up.</p>
<p>Big news tomorrow&#8230;</p>
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